Truth
X: is there any such thing as truth?
Me: yes.. actually there are finitely many truths
X: are truths interoperable and liquid? do they merge into an amorphous reservoir where morality reconciles with immorality, sanity with insanity, the hunted with the hunter?
Me: liquid - yes.. its quite fluid.. prolly more of a gas and btw, duznt the existence of multiple truths invalidate the concept of morality?
X:morality is not a truth, it is a judgement. any judgement is an attempt to obfuscate another's vision, to blinker it from truth. i think the truths converge, so no matter which one you start with you arrive at a universality.
Me:hmm.. the way i c it, morality is the imposition of one's truth on another.. and yes, moralities converge pretty well.. but while the convergent morality may be deemed as the society's morality, i dont think the same can be said of the convergent truth
X: but when moralities don't converge macha..there is conflict. when they do, you have a culture. either way, you are blinkered from truth. truth belongs nowhere, it is in the air, it is infinite and haphazard and patriculate, it is expanding and can be derived from infinite formulae. posession denies truth. identity denies truth.
Me: well.. u can hv a multi-cultural society peacefully existin.. so thr neednt always be a conflict. i gez while each of us would have his own truth, if we all think independently. given the way the world works, we borrow others truths and claim it be ours as well.. so while there are finitely many truths in the abstract sense, literally you might be right in saying there is no truth
X: ah, but can we have a multi-morality society peacefully existing? if we do, then there ceases to be morality, and the beginning of freedom and truth.
Me:a peaceful multi-morality requires individual groups to be aware of each other's truths and not be insecure wrt other grps.. tat seems rather difficult to happen
X: precisely, and for that to happen morality as notion must dissolve...morality, identity, and everything that denies freedom of thought.
Me: but its a basic human instinct to cling on to one's identity. To override it, we'd all need to be enlightened with the truth
X: converse da...to know the truth you have to shed your identity
Me:nope.. to know the truth, u hv to know your identity and not let it obstruct your view of the truth..
Update: X
Me: yes.. actually there are finitely many truths
X: are truths interoperable and liquid? do they merge into an amorphous reservoir where morality reconciles with immorality, sanity with insanity, the hunted with the hunter?
Me: liquid - yes.. its quite fluid.. prolly more of a gas and btw, duznt the existence of multiple truths invalidate the concept of morality?
X:morality is not a truth, it is a judgement. any judgement is an attempt to obfuscate another's vision, to blinker it from truth. i think the truths converge, so no matter which one you start with you arrive at a universality.
Me:hmm.. the way i c it, morality is the imposition of one's truth on another.. and yes, moralities converge pretty well.. but while the convergent morality may be deemed as the society's morality, i dont think the same can be said of the convergent truth
X: but when moralities don't converge macha..there is conflict. when they do, you have a culture. either way, you are blinkered from truth. truth belongs nowhere, it is in the air, it is infinite and haphazard and patriculate, it is expanding and can be derived from infinite formulae. posession denies truth. identity denies truth.
Me: well.. u can hv a multi-cultural society peacefully existin.. so thr neednt always be a conflict. i gez while each of us would have his own truth, if we all think independently. given the way the world works, we borrow others truths and claim it be ours as well.. so while there are finitely many truths in the abstract sense, literally you might be right in saying there is no truth
X: ah, but can we have a multi-morality society peacefully existing? if we do, then there ceases to be morality, and the beginning of freedom and truth.
Me:a peaceful multi-morality requires individual groups to be aware of each other's truths and not be insecure wrt other grps.. tat seems rather difficult to happen
X: precisely, and for that to happen morality as notion must dissolve...morality, identity, and everything that denies freedom of thought.
Me: but its a basic human instinct to cling on to one's identity. To override it, we'd all need to be enlightened with the truth
X: converse da...to know the truth you have to shed your identity
Me:nope.. to know the truth, u hv to know your identity and not let it obstruct your view of the truth..
Update: X
posted by eV at 11:10 PM
3 Value-adds:
Every form in the universe, no matter what it may be, is after all a representation of truth.
There is one infinite and that is the truth and all other manifestations that we observe are nothing but representatives of that one truth which in turn is the infinite.
I have begun to feel dizzy after writing the above :-)
"nope.. to know the truth, u hv to know your identity and not let it obstruct your view of the truth.."
Doesnt "YOUR" view of truth, become your identity?
"a peaceful multi-morality requires individual groups to be aware of each other's truths and not be insecure wrt other grps.. tat seems rather difficult to happen"
Well said. Many of us take a lifetime to understand what our moralities are. Only a minute percentage have the interest/tools to understand co-existing moralities. Am not sure how many have led a life with this knowledge/wisdom minus the insecurities arising from this knowledge/wisdom.
eV's blog is turning out to be a bad habit. I want to break free of my dreams of an utopia and this man takes me on a ride through it everytime :)
give up...
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